Today's Texas Scramble Results:
5 teams of 4 played holes 1 to 4 and 14 to 18 only.
The best score was 27.80 by the team of Frank Rodenhurst, Dilly Jones, Phil Morris and Dave Palferman
2nd, with 27.85, were Colin Evans, Peter Lynch, Andrew Mitchell and Malcolm Williams.
Across the road another 5 teams of 4 played holes 5 to 13 only.
Best was a score of 27.9 by Stewart Poole, Peter Almond, Barry Evans and Tom McGrady
2nd, with 29.2, were Derek Lyon, Colin Brown, Ron Roberts and David Lloyd.
All players then attended the AGM at noon along with other Seniors members who did not play in the competition. In total 55 Seniors attended the AGM.
Various photos of the AGM below
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| Tallies up ready for Texas scramble |
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| Top table getting ready for the business |
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| In full flow outgoing Captain Nigel Davies reading his report |
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| Steve Monk delivering his report |
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Nigel about to introduce Dave Palferman the Treasurer
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| Don Wraight being introduced as the next Captain by Nigel |
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| Nigel handing over Captaincy to Don Wraight |
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| Don dealing now with the rest of Agenda items. Chris Jacques at end of table taking the minutes |
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| Don coming to the end of the Agenda and about to close the meeting at 3.30pm Below are approved minutes from 2016 AGM
Clays
Seniors: Minute of Annual General Meeting 2016
Tuesday December 6th
2016
Time 12.00 noon after
9 hole competition.
Agenda
1. Apologies; Russ Adamson; Stan Brookfield; Eifion Jenkins; Roy
Jones; Richard Key; Geoff Morris; Bill Parry; Pauline Peacock; Gordon Roberts;
Mike Turner.
2.
Members present; 61 Attended:- Peter Almond;
Steve Beech; Peter Bowen; Colin Brown; Bob Brown; Fred Court (Senior Sec);
Barry Dare; Diane Dare; Nigel Davies (Senior Captain); Cliff Davies; Maelor
Davies; John Davies (Committee); Polly Davies; Robert Dean; Mike Dean; Irwin
Elkin; Colin Evans; Barry Evans;
Cliff Evans
(Committee); Peter Fey; Peter Fraser; Tony Harcombe; Kim Harcombe; Nigel
Harris;
Mike
Hollings; Phil Hughes; Harold Hughes; William Hughes; Chris Jacques; Dilwyn
Jones; Noel Jones; Raymond Jones; Roy Jordon; Mike Jordon; Mike Kalka; Bill
Kelleher; John Kelty; Ian Ketland; Nick Lee; Stuart Leyland; Peter Lynch; Derek
Lyon; Tom McGrady; Andrew Mitchell; Steve Monk ( Event Org.);
Phil Morris;
Tony Owens; Dave Palferman (Treasurer); Mike Parks; Reg Peacock; Stewart Poole;
Ron Roberts; Frank Rodenhurst; Neil Sanger; Graham Stokes; Reg Taylor; Paul White (Inter-club Match Org.);
Malcolm Williams;
Ernie Williams; Alwyn Williams; Don Wraight (Competition Org);
3.
Minutes
of last AGM December 8th 2015; were
proposal as a true record by Bill Kelleher and seconded by Bob Brown.
4.
Matter
arising from minutes; There were no matters
arising from the last minute.
5. Confirm appointment Dave Palferman as
Treasurer for the senior section. The
members present voted unanimously for the acceptance of Dave Palferman as
treasurer of the section.
6.
Reports;
Captain;
Hon Sec.
Treasurer;
Competition
Organiser;
Seniors event
Organiser;
Interclub
Match Organiser;
Senior Captain’s Twelve months ago, at the 2015 AGM, I was honoured to
be selected as your captain. I knew that it was a position of great
responsibility and perhaps a daunting prospect and, in fact, the AGM itself
was, to some degree, a baptism of fire! However, I believe that the fact that
we could have such a robust debate but then come together as a unified group
demonstrated one of the many strengths that make our section so special. During
that AGM, a number of new committee members were chosen and I must take this opportunity
to thank, on your behalf, all of the members of our committee for their
enthusiasm, wisdom and hard work throughout the year and particularly the
support that they have given me in my first year as captain. I would also like
to thank Derek Lyon, who left the committee at last year’s AGM but who has
continued to update the Seniors Blog, which I know is highly valued by all of
us in our section – although I have found that you have to make sure that
you’re on your best behaviour on the course as Derek will be lurking with his
camera! As an aside, I have found it interesting to monitor the improvement in
Colin Brown’s scores since he relinquished his captaincy!
During
the club AGM, in light of information regarding club membership, it became
evident that approximately 1/3 of the club membership are in the Seniors
section and perhaps almost ½ according to more recent membership figures. To
me, this indicates the importance of our section in helping to make the club
progress. It has been pleasing to welcome a number of new members to our
section this year and I know that you will have made them all feel welcome.
The
AGM was soon followed by our Christmas lunch, a great afternoon but I think it
took me until February to recover! The lunch demonstrates the essence of what
the Seniors section is all about - including booing when certain people win!
Tragically,
Christmas then brought sad news with one of our past members passing away. This
was followed later in the year with the loss of other highly regarded and
popular friends. It perhaps serves as a reminder that a poor shot or a missed
putt don’t really matter; being able to play & enjoy the game we love is a
precious gift. A number of our members have also had a difficult year with
various medical problems and I know that we wish them all a full and speedy
recovery and improved health in 2017.
2016
began with me being invited to participate in the Club Captains’ Drive In. For
me this was more than a personal honour; it was recognition of our section as a
whole.
At
time of writing the course is in good condition, particularly the greens, and
it is interesting to note that in the first few months of the year a number of
our medals were either postponed or made non-qualifiers due to course
conditions. We only make such decisions after a great deal of consideration and
I hope that you continue to support us when we may have to make similar
decisions in good faith in future. The improvement in the course is testament
to the work carried out by the green keeping staff, in sometimes difficult
circumstances, and I would like to acknowledge their efforts.
Our
Honours Board competitions, medals and special events during the year have been
very well supported and I thank members of our section for their participation.
I would particularly like to mention the £315 that we raised for the Royal
British Legion during our Ken Lawrence Memorial competition; this was a great
amount and a demonstration of the generosity of the members of our section. For
kitty competitions, we have introduced a number of new formats; some more
popular than others, and we will continue to think of ways in which we can make
our golf as interesting and enjoyable as possible. A great deal of thanks is
due to Don Wraight and Steve Monk for all of their hard work in organising our
competitions and I would also like to thank Cliff Evans for his original idea
to introduce a 2s element into our kitty competitions and for his continuing
administration of the ball sweep. This is an innovation that has proved popular
and well supported.
At
times this year it has proved difficult to form a team for our inter-club
matches and in fact one match had to be called off because we couldn’t raise a
team, which was a great disappointment. Paul White has done an enormous amount
of work in arranging and administering the matches and I thank him very much
for his efforts.
Cliff Lloyd, who has been our
Seniors Treasurer for a number of years, decided not to renew his club
membership, and we felt it important to acknowledge Cliff’s great contribution
to our section and the club in general. A very successful “Seniors v Rest of
the Club” match was held in Cliff’s honour and I know that you will join me in
thanking Cliff for everything that he has done for us over the years and wish
him well for the future. The appointment of the new Seniors Treasurer will be
decided upon during this AGM.
The Clays Seniors Open took place on
9th August. We had a very successful day, with very positive
feedback from visitors from other clubs. Approximately £180 was raised for
Seniors section funds in addition to £490 which was paid over to Clays
Management.
We have received notification from
The Golf Union of Wales regarding a new event that they will be launching in
2017, the Welsh Seniors' Greensomes Championship. The GUW will invite all clubs
across Wales to run a qualifying competition for their senior members in
2017 from which the winners will qualify for the national final which will be
run and administered by the GUW. We are looking to support this initiative and
we look forward to a successful event, particularly considering the practice
that we’re getting in Greensomes thanks to Steve!
Some of our most enjoyable days are
spent when we play seniors opens at other clubs and, as ever, we are indebted
to Tony Harcombe for his organisation of these excellent trips away.
The committee recently made the
decision to do away with the 2 shot penalty for winners of kitty competitions,
as it was proving very difficult to administer the process fairly. We will, of
course, continue to monitor this, particularly if “serial winners” become
apparent!
I would like to congratulate all of
our players who have had success this year. Although we had a reasonable spread
of names winning competitions and medals etc., it was also obvious that the
“usual suspects” were very much in evidence! Two achievements that I feel
deserve particular mention are Frank Rodenhurst easily winning the Winter
League with one round to go and having missed playing in one round and Bill Kelleher’s winning of the Mike Copperwheat
Seniors Eclectic for the 5th year in a row!!!
Finally,
I must pass on many thanks for all of the work that Fred Court has done as
Seniors Secretary this year. Fred is a constant source of wisdom, experience
and knowledge and I greatly appreciate his support for me personally.
Best
wishes to all members of our section for good health and enjoyable golf in
2017. Nigel Davies.
******
Honorary Secretary’s
report: It
does not seem like a year has passed since our Last AGM but here we are again,
I shall keep this brief as much of what I could say will be covered by other
committee members during the AGM
As with Derek before me I
have to mention the sad loss of several of our members this year also the
serious issues which have been experienced by others, and wish them a speedy
recovery.
I would thank the Committee
who, this last year consist of a considerable influx of new blood including
myself who you might describe as new blood recycled. The committee have worked
extremely well together, having held regular meeting to discuss one or two
issues raised by members and others, some of them quite tenuous. I thank each
and all, especially our Captain Nigel, for the effort they contribute in order
to make your time at clays interesting enough and inspire you to come back for
more.
We could not talk about our
committee without expressing our thanks to Cliff Lloyd for his term in office
of over 20 years as the senior’s Treasure and also his support to the section
and the club in general. Thanks to Dave for stepping in to take over the
Treasurers responsibility. Then there is Derek our immortal press officer,
thanks for all your reports and Blogs especially for my occasional Blog on the
rules. With regard to the rules of Golf I ask you all to remember the rules are
there to make a fair and level playing field, and not designed for punishment,
indeed use of the rules may even give an advantage. Unfortunately, there are
many basic issues were players misuse the rules and avoid penalties. The most
common of which I see is Players lifting their ball without first marking its position
that said, I shall leave the rules behind at this point.
I have a few other thanks I
wish to make in particular our own members for their generous contribution to
show the sections gratitude to Cliff Lloyd, the result of your contribution
will be revealed during our Christmas Party, and then it’s a question of
finance, if it’s not me chasing money, then it has to be “can I have a cheque
Charlie” our own Tony Harcombe. Tony thanks for your time and diligence in the
organisation of Open events.
One of my tasks is the
maintenance of our membership list which currently stands at 123 registered
members and also the information Tally list for phone contact, I have also
adapted this list to show Membership payment on the current year as a memory
jogger for those not yet paid. Respectfully I would remind you that dues are
required in December for the year starting January our year being out of sync
with Clays golf year which is June. I mention this because a significant number
assume all dues are required at the same time. Recently several members have
not renewed their membership leaving t the club, not renewing their senior
membership nor paid dues 6 months earlier.
Therefore, remember the Draw for some amber liquid at the Christmas
party for those having paid by that date for 2017. If you wish you may pay dues
after the close of this meeting.
I have noted the volume of Tally list copies
on our tally board, many of which having out of date information and tried to
minimise this. I have been copying this Tally sheet to each member for whom I
have email contact, occasionally people do change contact detail but omit to
advise everyone, if you know of any change for which I have not been advised
please let me know.
Finally, as we are getting
toward that time of the year, I remind you of the Senior Christmas Party on
Dec. 13th and if you have not already entered for the 9-hole
competition followed by our meal, if the list is no longer on the board down
stairs, contact Don ASAP. I wish you all the seasons greeting and good health.
Fred Court
Treasurer’s Report:
Many members will know that our long time
treasurer Cliff Lloyd did not renew his club membership for the 2016/17 season.
I (David Palferman) took over the role of treasurer on a temporary basis
subject to confirmation at the AGM. I would personally like to thank Cliff for
all the help he has given to ensure a smooth transfer of responsibilities.
There is no immediate need to
increase the members’ subs of £5 per annum.
Any member paying their 2017
subs prior to the Xmas meal on 13 December will automatically be entered into a
free raffle for a bottle of whiskey to be drawn at the Xmas meal. Please note,
for logistical reasons, members will not be able to pay their subs on the day
of the Xmas meal. If any member wishes to pay via Internet banking, our account
details with Nat West Bank are Sort code: 55-81-42, Account No.32236328. Please
ensure you enter your name in the reference box.
The current balance of the
section stands at £825.47 (Nov 2016). This figure will increase as members pay
their £5 subs for 2017 over the coming weeks.
A summary of the account
activities for 2016 are given below. A full copy of the account spreadsheet is
available on request.
Balance January 2016: £262.72
Total Income £ 2512.02
Total Expenditure £ 1949.27
Finally, I would like to
thank members for their continued support.
Dave also advised the
main income for the section was the Subs which were supplemented by our “senior
open” and “Christmas party”.
Competition
Organiser: Dear Seniors; A big thank
you for supporting all the Boarded competitions and Medals, congratulations go
to the winners of all the events and although they go away with trophies you
can all applaud yourselves by being a competitor in those comps.
It will soon be time for the
2017 entry form to be available to complete. These will be ready as soon as the
Clays diary is completed, can I please have those back as soon as possible
together with a cheque for the comps.
Closing date will be 31st
March 2017 and the relevant draws will be made soon after.
Just like to wish you all a
Merry Christmas and all the best in the New Year.
Make yourself a winner and
enter the comps please.
A
note added to Dons report but not read out.; To qualify for Honour-Board competitions you
require to be a paid up member of the senior section; have a valid Competitive
handicap and your “Registered Entry and Payment” before the end of March for
Knock-out competitions. Late completion disrupts the flow of competition;
players are requested to complete their round ASAP and no later than the date
set by the organiser. Committee reserve the right to disqualify members for
late completion of any round.
We
request early entry and payment for nominated Honour Board competitions also by
the end of March but the closing date for non knockout competitions remains the
day of the event.
Note,
late entries after March for stroke play H-B competitions may miss out on the
playing order draw and will need to speak to the organiser for a tee time and
marker.
Senior event’s
Organiser; I have enjoyed organising our calendar of kitty competitions through
the year and hope you have all enjoyed playing in them. I have tried to
introduce a few new competitions into the programme and I think they have
mostly been popular. Of course, all golf games are variations on a theme – the
theme being to take as few shots as possible to complete each hole!!
One comp I introduced went
against this theme – the LAHLAH’s. A few members pointed out that on certain
holes (the ‘L’ holes, where the lowest Stableford score counts – i.e. the worst
score) a player could score a gross eagle for a net albatross and it would
count for nothing if the rest of the team only managed meagre pars. I thought
this a valid criticism so I have dropped it from our programme.
Most of the new comps have
been suggested by people other than myself and for these I would like to thank
Fred, our Captain Nigel, my son-in-law, and an opponent in a match at Hawarden
GC. I must also thank Stewart Poole for his many years doing this job and for
the range of competition formats he made regulars for us all to enjoy - more or
less all of which I have continued with.
Any member who wants to suggest other new formats is welcome to try them
out on me. I already have another one or two ‘up my sleeve’ for trying out next
year.
I would also like to thank
everyone who has helped to run the comps in my absence, or when I am still out
on the course, such as Nigel, Don Wraight, and others on the committee and also
some not on the committee. However, I would especially like to thank Cliff
Evans for assisting me with the draw for tees and partners each morning and
also for spicing up the kitty comps by suggesting and running the popular ‘2’s
ball sweep.
Finally, thank you to all of
you for supporting the competitions so well. Just to give a few stats, on
January 5th, 48 turned up for the first round of the winter league. In February
the average attendance per game was 42, ranging from 34 to 48. In March it was
41, with a highest of 55 for the St. David’s Day event. Things have continued
more or less the same throughout the year, which is what makes being on the
committee so rewarding. Of course, you are all such keen golfers you’d probably
turn up even if Mickey Mouse was organising things, but thank you all for you
support in any case. I hope 2017 is just as successful a golfing year for us
all. Steve Monk
Match Organiser; 18 matches had been arranged at the start of 2016. Only 16 took place
with the Home match against Denbigh cancelled due to them not being able to
raise a team, and the Away match against Holywell cancelled because Clays were
unable to raise a team.
Of the 16 matches, 6 were won
(5 at Home and 1 Away), 7 lost (1 at Home and 6 Away) and 3 matches drawn.
45 different people played for Clays Seniors
in 2016, but only 16 of these played in half of the games.
An aim at the start of the
year was to introduce more competition. A new trophy was provided by ex-Chirk
GC members and this was played for (on a Home and Away basis) against Henlle
Park. Unfortunately (for us), they won both matches and were awarded the trophy
for 2016.
An individual league has also
been introduced on the basis of 2 points for a win, 1 point for a draw and 1
further point for playing in a match. The results of this league will be
announced at next week’s Senior’s Xmas party along with other prizes.
Generally, it has been
difficult to raise a team of 20 for each match this year. Other clubs also
finding it difficult and some are looking to reduce the number of players on
each team. We have lost the fixture against Denbigh for 2017. Unless we have
more people coming forward to play in our matches, there is a very real
possibility that other fixtures will be lost in the future. Their continuation
is dependent upon members coming forward to play. Paul White
Items/issues raised by various members.
7. Guest Eligibility for Competition entry The following amendment to our
constitution is proposed within our committee meeting. Seconded by Fred Court.
A guest
over 55yrs of age with a “Competitive Congu Handicap” will be allowed to win
monetary prizes or equivalent but not win a trophy. Any guest under the age of
55will not be charged a completion fee, will play as a marker and will
therefore not be eligible to win any prize.
FC gave a very brief outline advising some members had
requested the committee to review this point and he gave the committees’ train
of thought in the proposal wording.
Members present voted with a large majority and the proposal
accepted.
8.
Partnerships
For honour board competitions. The following amendment to our constitution is proposed
within committee meeting and seconded by Fred Court.
Partnership; if after
entering a “Pairs Competition”, a change the partnership is required due to a
long term illness,, recuperation from illness or withdrawal of membership. Such
a change is permitted provided neither of the original partnership nor the
incoming partner has played in any rounds within the event.
A small discussion took place
and it was confirmed the player was entitled to challenge playing on their own.
S Monk asked for an amendment to the wording to “injury/illness” avoiding
future argument.
With this amendment, members voted in favour. The
proposal item 8 approved and carried.
9.
Proposal
is for the Section to introduce 9-Hole qualifying competitions.
Proposed by Irwin Elkin and seconded by
Cliff Evans. The
proposal is to hold 9-Hole competition qualifiers, limited to Stableford
scoring as per Congu Rules 22.1 “22.2, for those members wishing to avail
themselves the facility to maintain a recognised Handicap, played on the same
day as the normal 18-Hole qualifiers
There was an
active discussion for this proposal:- B Kelleher asked if this would form a
separate competition? B Evans Suggested starts from the 14th; J
Davis advised this suggestion would cause problems with logistics on the
course. B Dare advised to make it clear that at this time we do not have the
ability within the computer programme to accommodate this form of competition.
R Peacock stated
a members had suggested no fee for participation so advised we were already
charging a fee for a complementary score
and a fee for the 9-hole competition should be made;
S Poole requested
the vote be taken and the organisation detail be sorted thereafter. C Brown
visualised the 9-hole players play at the back of the field making the
socialisation with the main field possible; P White stated it was the principle
we should be considering; Several members advise they knew members who played
socially because they had difficulty in completing 18-holes; N Davies summed up the principle was our concern as we
are not able to implement if voted in until all external issues were resolved; The
final response given was that a 9-hole course had to be identified by
management and approved by the GUW with its own Standard Scratch measurement.
A vote was taken and the proposal Item 9
was approved and carried.
10. Proposal for the Section to introduce mixed
tee position with their Qualifying competitions. Proposed by Irwin Elkin
and seconded by Cliff Evans. The proposal
is for players having the choice of which measured course (colour of tees) they
will use throughout the competition. (Appendix “O” from the Congu rules
covers this issue)
Additional information relating
to items 9 & 10 was supplied by your Hon. Sec. (Rule 22 and appendix “O”)
A long debate continued
around this subject relating to information regarding the Handicap system and
relevant adjustment to be made when standardising scores returned if
competitions were held on this basis. I Elkin advised that regardless of the
vote for the system proposed, it will eventually be imposed on all clubs by the
golf unions;
A vote was carried out with 17 members voting for, and
a large majority against: The proposal was turned down and not carried.
Next AGM Tuesday December 5th 2017.
1. Ladies will always play from the ladies
(red) tees, and will score points and receive handicap shots in accordance with
the pars and stroke indices of the ladies card (except as defined in footnote 4
below). Additionally, when men and ladies compete against each other, handicap
adjustments will be made to one gender or the other in accordance with the
table below, which complies with guidance contained in the CONGU UHS manual
Appendix O, to account for differences in the par and SSS between the ladies
card and the men’s card.
2. - signifies that in order to win prizes in
the relevant events, players must hold a current official Competition CONGU
handicap (‘c’ status) before the event commences. Players without a current
official handicap may enter and play but cannot win prizes.
3. - signifies that players must hold a current
official Competition CONGU handicap (‘c’ status) before they enter the relevant
events.
4. In mixed gender matchplay competitions, (as in paras 4.2.2 and 4.2.3), both men
and ladies will play to the stroke indices of the men’s card irrespective of
who is the lowest handicapper.
The procedure to
follow in such matches is therefore:
For singles: Man – white tees. Lady – red tees. Add 1
shot to the lady’s handicap; then determine who has the lower resultant
handicap; then deduct the lower handicap from the higher handicap to determine
the number of shots the higher handicapper will receive for the game. The shots
to be received by the higher handicapper will be at holes with a stroke index
on the men’s card from 1 up to the calculated handicap difference.
For pairs: Men – white tees. Ladies – red tees. Add 1
shot to the ladies’ handicaps; then determine who has the lowest resultant
handicap. The 3 other players deduct this lowest handicap from their own respective (adjusted)
handicaps, then multiply the resultant differential handicaps by 90% and round
up or down, as usual, to the nearest whole number to arrive at the number of shots to be received by each. Each
player receiving shots will take them at holes with a stroke index on the men’s
card from 1 up to the calculated received number of shots.
Guest
Players:- A guest over
55yrs of age with a “Competitive Congu Handicap” will be allowed to win
monetary prizes or equivalent but not win a trophy. Any guest under the age of
55will not be charged a competition fee, will play as a marker and will
therefore not be eligible to win any prize.
Partnership for Honour
Board Competitions; if
after entering a “Pairs Competition”, a change the partnership is required due
to a long term injury/illness, recuperation from injury/illness or withdrawal
of membership. Such a change is permitted provided neither of the original
partnership nor the incoming partner has played in any rounds within the event.
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